First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: '67 Drum Brake Part Needed by "David Learner" <davidlearner@yahoo.com> Re: '69 TA Convert ebay auction.... by "Eddie Pettit" <eddie@thepettitfamily.org> Re: Pitman arm by "larry diede" <ldiede@bangkok.com> Re: Re: pitman arm by "larry diede" <ldiede@bangkok.com> Re: Re: Pitman arm by "larry diede" <ldiede@bangkok.com> Re: '69 TA Convert ebay auction.... by "Eddie Pettit" <eddie@thepettitfamily.org> Re: RE: Hooker Super Comp Headers... by "larry diede" <ldiede@bangkok.com> Re: Turbo TA Info by "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Re: Pitman arm by <Jimc2002@aol.com> Re: '69 TA Convert ebay auction.... by <Jimc2002@aol.com> Re: '67 Drum Brake Part Needed by "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Re: RE: Hooker Super Comp Headers... by <hugoba@apcom.com> (no subject) by "Jason Rogers" <jason.rogers@york.com> Re: '69 TA Convert ebay auction.... by "marcts" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Re: Turbo TA Info/jUnusual Part by <PStonebrak@aol.com> Re: '69 TA Convert ebay auction.... by <hugoba@apcom.com> RE: '69 TA Convert ebay auction..../th400 rebuild by "Slobird" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> COMPRESSION VS FLOW by "Andrew & Kate Panek" <panek@inil.com> turbo ponchos by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Re: Engine paint... by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> New Guy,be patient by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Re: '69 TA Convert ebay auction..../th400 rebuild by "Eddie Pettit" <eddie@thepettitfamily.org> '69 TA Convert ebay auction by <Nhra68@aol.com> Hot Rod Power Tour by <hugoba@apcom.com> Re: Engine paint... by <Studderin@aol.com> Re: by <Studderin@aol.com> Re: PHS questions by <Framair@aol.com> Re: '69 TA Convert ebay auction.... by <Framair@aol.com>
(back) Subject: Re: '67 Drum Brake Part Needed From: "David Learner" <davidlearner@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 05:42:03 -0800 (PST) The part I described as a "pivot" is actually labelled a "strut" in the Pontiac Service Manual. It occurred to me this morning that it might be a part that is only used in the rear brakes as a part of the parking brake assembly. Can someone please set me straight as to whether this part is used in the front brake assembly? Thanks, David Learner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=3Dtext
(back) Subject: Re: '69 TA Convert ebay auction.... From: "Eddie Pettit" <eddie@thepettitfamily.org> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 09:15:03 -0500 Correct me if I'm wrong but that's not a restoration, it's a 30+ year old car with only 2 miles on it! Amazing... ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Buice" <dbuice@home.com> > WOW....What a gorgeous car and restoration! > Way, way out of my league though. > Still....It would be cool if my car looked half as clean.
(back) Subject: Re: Pitman arm From: "larry diede" <ldiede@bangkok.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 07:28:10 -0700 Yes, 67&68 V8 are both the same with the curve. 69 V8 also has the curved = arm but it is female on both ends. It is my understanding that the curve = is to provide clearance for factory header installation. Can anyone = clarify this? Larry Diede ----------------------------------------------- Thailand's BEST Free Email at Bangkok.com - http://mail.bangkok.com
(back) Subject: Re: Re: pitman arm From: "larry diede" <ldiede@bangkok.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 07:35:46 -0700 Yes, the manual pitman arm in additon to having smaller diameter = attachment hole at the steering box end is also shorter by about an inch. = The shorter lever arm of the pitman and multiturn steering box made for = lighter steering at the expense of faster steering. Larry Diede ----------------------------------------------- Thailand's BEST Free Email at Bangkok.com - http://mail.bangkok.com
(back) Subject: Re: Re: Pitman arm From: "larry diede" <ldiede@bangkok.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 07:49:51 -0700 Based on my observation on the horizontaly curved arms the connection to = the drag link is not displaced off to one side as you discribed but the = holes actually overlay the straight arms attach points. All the curve = does is displace the center portion of the arm so that the arm does = collide with the exhaust. I too am running a straight pitman arm. Only $37.00 at Auto Zone vs. $130 = for the curved. Since I am running headers the stock exhaust interference = doesn't bother. Interesting though, is the fact that, I have looked at several stock cars = and have cycled the steering and could not see where the exhaust would = interfer with the arm. Thats why in an earlier post I said I though that = it may have been a special exhaust application that necessitaed the curved = arm. A mystery to me. Larry Diede Larry Diede Denver, CO ----------------------------------------------- Thailand's BEST Free Email at Bangkok.com - http://mail.bangkok.com
(back) Subject: Re: '69 TA Convert ebay auction.... From: "Eddie Pettit" <eddie@thepettitfamily.org> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:03:59 -0500 Oh, my mistake, review of the ad reveals that it was a restoration and = that 2 miles have been put on the car since it's restoration. So, it's not a = 30+ year old car with 2 miles on it. It's a car with god only knows how many miles on it before it's restoration and 2 more miles. Sorry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eddie Pettit" <eddie@thepettitfamily.org> To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 9:15 AM Subject: Re: '69 TA Convert ebay auction.... > Correct me if I'm wrong but that's not a restoration, it's a 30+ year = old > car with only 2 miles on it! Amazing... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Buice" <dbuice@home.com> > > WOW....What a gorgeous car and restoration! > > Way, way out of my league though. > > Still....It would be cool if my car looked half as clean. > >
(back) Subject: Re: RE: Hooker Super Comp Headers... From: "larry diede" <ldiede@bangkok.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 08:12:21 -0700 The high temp of the headers in conjunction with the inherent heat of the = power steering system itself will kill a system. Pontiac, at least in 69, = ran a tube under the radiator in an attempt to increase the system volume = and cool the fluid when it brought out the variable speed power steering = box in that year It was for this reason that I installed a 8"x14" auto tranny cooler (a bit = of over kill perhaps but I had it laying around form a previous = application) in front of my radiator just to cool the power steering = fluid. Heat is a real killer in power steering systems. The way most of us use = our "Birds" it does manifest itself that often in our cars. However, in = the rock crawling and 4 wheel drive circles a lot of attention is paid to = cooling the power steering systems. Big tires, locked front differentials = and rough terrain will really stress a system. Larry Diede Larry Diede Denver, CO ----------------------------------------------- Thailand's BEST Free Email at Bangkok.com - http://mail.bangkok.com
(back) Subject: Re: Turbo TA Info From: "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:46:45 -0500 Yea, a 350 may be able to use the stock 301 turbo. Because the 350 moves more air, full boost would move closer to idle. As far as strengthening = the bottom end of the 455... if boost is kept to a maximum of 7-8 psi, stock crank and cast pistons should be OK. I estimate with that kind of boost a 30-40% HP gain. Of course, that highly depends on what turbos size is = used. I sure would like to know what "weird setup" means. Maybe someone can give me a better description. I'm very interested in this topic. Let's see... 69 convertible 400, Trans Am clone with a factory 19xx turbos setup... ummm. Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: <PStonebrak@aol.com> To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 11:44 PM Subject: Re: Turbo TA Info > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Roy, I called the local turbo repair shop and was told that it was a "weird > setup". With some fabrication maybe an early model could be bolted up. A > turbo doesn't require much compression but adequate fuel delivery might be a > problem. I would think a 350 or 400 would be a better candidate, especially > when you think about the strengthening the bottom end of a 455 could be > costly. The car might be worth redoing. Might be a good home to a 350 = mill > that has nothing better to do. So many projects so little time. Pete > >
(back) Subject: Re: Pitman arm From: <Jimc2002@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:26:04 EST I checked some parts info and found two different part numbers for the '68 = V8 with PS. The difference between them is for VRS (variable ratio steering) = vs no VRS. Mine has had a straight pitman arm, original engine (never been = out of the car), and original exhaust manifold. Jim
(back) Subject: Re: '69 TA Convert ebay auction.... From: <Jimc2002@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:28:34 EST regardless, that's a beautiful car. A bit out of my league though. Jim
(back) Subject: Re: '67 Drum Brake Part Needed From: "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:46:38 -0500 David - I feel your pain. A year ago I did a drum to disk swap. I feel your pain. I went searching for the front drums They they were. To answer your question - NO - the front brakes do not have the "strut" in them. I = looked in my service manual and they show an exploded view of the rear. = Everything is the same except the strut - spring and pivot. I hope this helps. John. -----Original Message----- From: David Learner <davidlearner@yahoo.com> To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Friday, March 30, 2001 11:19 AM Subject: Re: '67 Drum Brake Part Needed >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >The part I described as a "pivot" is actually labelled a "strut" in the >Pontiac Service Manual. It occurred to me this morning that it might be >a part that is only used in the rear brakes as a part of the parking >brake assembly. Can someone please set me straight as to whether this >part is used in the front brake assembly? >Thanks, >David Learner
(back) Subject: Re: RE: Hooker Super Comp Headers... From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 09:50:41 -0800 (PST) I've seen the results of boiled power steering fluid at the track and it's = not pretty. I've installed a cooler in my 98 TA since I do some road racing and it's = kept the pump alive through some heavy thrashing (I was at the track yesterday = in fact). Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Fri Mar 30 09:19:58 2001 > From: "larry diede" <ldiede@bangkok.com> > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 08:12:21 -0700 > X-Priority: Normal > To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com > Subject: Re: RE: Hooker Super Comp Headers... > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > The high temp of the headers in conjunction with the inherent heat of = the power steering system itself will kill a system. Pontiac, at least in = 69, ran a tube under the radiator in an attempt to increase the system = volume and cool the fluid when it brought out the variable speed power = steering box in that year > > It was for this reason that I installed a 8"x14" auto tranny cooler (a = bit of over kill perhaps but I had it laying around form a previous = application) in front of my radiator just to cool the power steering = fluid. > > Heat is a real killer in power steering systems. The way most of us use = our "Birds" it does manifest itself that often in our cars. However, in = the rock crawling and 4 wheel drive circles a lot of attention is paid to = cooling the power steering systems. Big tires, locked front differentials = and rough terrain will really stress a system. > > Larry Diede > > > > > Larry Diede > Denver, CO > > > ----------------------------------------------- > Thailand's BEST Free Email at Bangkok.com - http://mail.bangkok.com
(back) Subject: From: "Jason Rogers" <jason.rogers@york.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:29:59 -0500 Having some fun with Photoshop... http://users.supernet.com/jprogers/jasonlaunch.jpg Jason http://users.supernet.com/jprogers
(back) Subject: Re: '69 TA Convert ebay auction.... From: "marcts" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:49:11 -0500 You are wrong because they reset the speedometer when they did the restoration. I can't imagine that anyone would buy a car for 125000 on ebay, kind of ridiculous to me but who knows? I bet a dollar it is not sold.
(back) Subject: Re: Turbo TA Info/jUnusual Part From: <PStonebrak@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:15:48 EST The thing that Majestic pointed out was the fact that the carb set on top = of a plenum that recieved the boost. The fuel was also drafted for the turbo = at that point. I am not familiar with turbos so my feedback is very limited. = But I think normally the turbo boosts air thru the top of the carb. I also = talked to someone that used an aftermarket turbo on a 455. It got blown to = pieces. Main webbing couldn't handle it. Aftermarket main caps and machine work = can get pricey. 350s are cheap and a couple of mine are sitting around waiting = for a new home. A lot easier to come by than a 455. Pete
(back) Subject: Re: '69 TA Convert ebay auction.... From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:37:23 -0800 (PST) I sent an email asking for the vin # since all 8 are known. Haven't heard back yet. Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Fri Mar 30 12:26:44 2001 > From: marcts <marcts@ga.prestige.net> > To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:49:11 -0500 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Language: en > Subject: Re: '69 TA Convert ebay auction.... > X-Accept-Language: en > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > You are wrong because they reset the speedometer when they did the > restoration. > > I can't imagine that anyone would buy a car for 125000 on ebay, kind of > ridiculous to me but who knows? I bet a dollar it is not sold. > > > >
(back) Subject: RE: '69 TA Convert ebay auction..../th400 rebuild From: "Slobird" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:37:17 -0500 BTW, I wasn't trying to be rude saying you were wrong, I was just joking since you asked right or wrong, but reading what I wrote it didn't sound = too nice! It only took my new 455 about 2 weeks to kill my transmission with 2.56 gear. Lot of stress in there I guess! I am going to attempt to rebuild my th400 trans. I have no clue about = this, but have Ron sessions book, so will give it the old college try. Anyone have any tips? Tim 68 convert 455 w/dead transmission
(back) Subject: COMPRESSION VS FLOW From: "Andrew & Kate Panek" <panek@inil.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 18:59:16 -0600 I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THE COMPRESSION ISSUE AS I TOO AM PLANNING ON BUILDING = A 455. AS I FIGURE IT, I HAVE A FEW OPTIONS IN COMPRESSIONC BUT THE VLVE SIZES ARE ALSO A QUESTION. 1970 11 HEADS 10.5 COMPRESSION.. TOO MUCH? = 73 4X1H 8.25 COMPRESSION AND 73 46 9.5 COMPRESSION. THE 46 HEADS SEEM MOST STREETABLE ON PUMP GAS, BUT INTAKE VALVES ARE 1.96 AS THE 4X1H ARE 2.11. = IS 10.25 PASSABLE WITH 93 OCTANE FOR A WEEKEND CAR AND SHOULD I BE CONCERNED WITH THE SMALLER VALVES? I WOULD THINK THE LARGER VALVES ARE BENEFITIAL = AT HIGHER RPM, BUT ANY INPUT WOULD BE APPRECIATED. ALSO, THANKS TO ALL = THOSE OF YOU WHO TAKE TIME TO ANSWER AS MANY QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED EVEN BEFORE ASKING... ANDREW PANEK 69 CONVERTIBLE
(back) Subject: turbo ponchos From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:30:40 -0500 the fastest Pontiac is a twin turbo 400 not a 428 or 455. 400 has a better stroke to rod ratio. I remember that the larger crank motors would split in half when exposed to extreme pressures of super charging and nitromethane. Perhaps the new "chief many horses" block will solve that. Gary
(back) Subject: Re: Engine paint... From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:38:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Engine paint... From: "Glenn Uettwiller" <birdman@gdi.net> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 03:26:38 -0500. Your note skipped the 1973 year, I wonder what's up with that? Glenn aka birdman 73 used a non metallic blue. Gary
(back) Subject: New Guy,be patient From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:43:00 -0500 From: OSeaghda@aol.com <OSeaghda@aol.com> To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Thursday, March 29, 2001 8:03 PM Subject: New Guy,be patient Manual front disc brakes Where can I find a master cylinder? Going off memory its a code FR which is the same as a 67 A body with disc brakes. Master is same with or without booster.. Gary BTW I have a couple complete 4 piston systems if you need any.
(back) Subject: Re: '69 TA Convert ebay auction..../th400 rebuild From: "Eddie Pettit" <eddie@thepettitfamily.org> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:54:07 -0500 Don't sweat it. I didn't take it the wrong way, and in fact you were correct and I was wrong. Can't help you with a Transmission rebuild -- haven't been there -- don't have the T-shirt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Slobird" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Subject: RE: '69 TA Convert ebay auction..../th400 rebuild > BTW, I wasn't trying to be rude saying you were wrong, I was just joking > since you asked right or wrong, but reading what I wrote it didn't sound too > nice! > > It only took my new 455 about 2 weeks to kill my transmission with 2.56 > gear. Lot of stress in there I guess! > > I am going to attempt to rebuild my th400 trans. I have no clue about this, > but have Ron sessions book, so will give it the old college try. Anyone > have any tips?
(back) Subject: '69 TA Convert ebay auction From: <Nhra68@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:50:09 EST That car is amazing! I downloaded all of the pictures, like I'll ever = need them in a restoration or something. I saw one at the TA nats in = Dayton Ohio once, but this one is quite the restoration. Aside from it = being a TA, it is really a nice resto. I just cannot justify a $1200 a = month for 30 years on a car payment. Dino NHRA68 68 400 coupe, Cleveland, OH
(back) Subject: Hot Rod Power Tour From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:16:27 -0800 (PST) Well guys (and gals), I've signed up for this years Power Tour and I'm = planning on taking the 69 convertible. I have ordered a 2004R for it and I'm = planning on transplanting the 455 off of the 71 Bonnie into it and if time permits I'm hoping to install a rack'n pininon steering setup as well. Plan B will be to put the 2004R into the 67 400 and plan C will be to take = the 98 TA (hmmmm, lets see, cruise control, AC, confy leather seats, 25+ mpg = on the hwy, less than 25K on the odometer, ......naaaahhhhh). The tour starts on May 3rd (kick off party) from Pontiac (yeah!) Michigan = and goes to San Bernadino, CA where there's going to be a Route 66 = cellebration. I'm planning on leaving on April 27th to arrive in Chicago on May 2nd = giving myself maybe one day of down time (hopefully none). I'm basically going to take I80 all the way out there so if you are near = the route, let me know and maybe we can have an eyeball (and in case I need a = helpin hand ... ;-)) For information on the tour go to: http://www.emapusaevents.com/ Hopefully some of you can also join in for the long haul or at least for = part of it. Hugo
(back) Subject: Re: Engine paint... From: <Studderin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 00:39:30 EST About the engine paint 67-72 is silver blue metallic #227 Plasti-Kote late 73-74 is #208 Plasti-Kote nonmetallic 75 and up is a DARK blue metallic I know a bit on 73 engine paint The early 73 was a green with a little blue. But the EPA banded the Trans am and the Grand Am. From the drive by noise regulations. The TA had a vacuum opening trapdoor on the shaker hood scoop = and the Grand Am had a functioning NASA hood (only a few were made and = none a known toady, The 1 455SD grandam "73 car of the year" was destroyed too) Pontiac also got caught with there EGR systems set up so it bypassed = at WOT. After these propems they changed there paint color. I don't know if there had too by the EPA, butthey did (I've head, so pontiac could ID the = 2 for sevice or tell than apart for emmions testing) My grand am''s 400 is out of the car and the #208 maches the orjoial paint = very good (to cold to paint it). And I have a 73 455 cast on DEC071972 = that is Green. Geenish blue in low heat areas arond the back, inside the trans bolt pattern area. Under the sludge of the rear mains rope seal oil slick. = John Costello 67 Firebird 73 Grand am
(back) Subject: Re: From: <Studderin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 00:42:05 EST In a message dated 3/30/2001 4:13:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jason.rogers@york.com writes: << http://users.supernet.com/jprogers/jasonlaunch.jpg >> How'd ya get the skinny tires te hook like that???
(back) Subject: Re: PHS questions From: <Framair@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 01:03:37 EST >From: jason.rogers@york.com (Jason Rogers) >In my PHS documentation for my 1967 Firebird 400, the invoice has a 4 in = box >55 and a 6 in box 61. Anyone know what that means? Help! ....554 denotes the Custom Trim Option ....661 has not been completely decoded in Registry Database ((possibly a special type of anti-freeze or...?)) Found on several Invoices for '67 Firebirds. NOTE: 661 denotes H.D. Frame for Tempest and Full-Size models in '67. This was not an option for the Firebird. John FRamair@aol.com Semper Fi Ephesians 4:32
(back) Subject: Re: '69 TA Convert ebay auction.... From: <Framair@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 01:07:23 EST From: hugoba@apcom.com >I sent an email asking for the vin # since all 8 are known. >Haven't heard back yet. .....Actually, the VIN is listed in the description on E-Bay; 223679N104810 John FRamair@aol.com Semper Fi Ephesians 4:32